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文章light (小虎) » 週三 9月 15, 1999 5:00 pm

很抱歉......不是有意要問出這麼低能的問題......
不過不問我實在是受不了.....

1.什麼是rs232,rs422,rs310,ll3,ll5??
它們跟平常看到的com1,com2線....印表機線有什麼不同??
2.crossover過的線和一般的線有什麼不同呢??
它是怎麼做的??
3.null modem是什麼??

目前就這些了......thank you very much!!

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作者: Angel (小天使創刊號) 看板: CyberClass
標題: Re: 線.......
時間: Wed Sep 15 12:35:07 1999

※ 引述《light (小虎)》之銘言:
> 很抱歉......不是有意要問出這麼低能的問題......
> 不過不問我實在是受不了.....
> 1.什麼是rs232,rs422,rs310,ll3,ll5??
> 它們跟平常看到的com1,com2線....印表機線有什麼不同??
RS232,RS422都是平行埠的電路線氣規格,而com1,com2則是序列埠,
平行埠的傳輸速度比序列埠快,一般的印表機線為RS-232(25針)的線
> 2.crossover過的線和一般的線有什麼不同呢??
> 它是怎麼做的??
crossover線可以做為資料傳輸,它與一般的線差別在於接腳有跳線過
> 3.null modem是什麼??
null modem一定是crossover的線,用於兩台PC的連接
> 目前就這些了......thank you very much!!

希望其他的大大能夠指教!

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作者: bankang (小天使之超級船長) 看板: CyberClass
標題: Re: 線.......
時間: Wed Sep 15 19:02:22 1999

※ 引述《Angel (小天使創刊號)》之銘言:
> ※ 引述《light (小虎)》之銘言:
> > 很抱歉......不是有意要問出這麼低能的問題......
> > 不過不問我實在是受不了.....
> > 1.什麼是rs232,rs422,rs310,ll3,ll5??
> > 它們跟平常看到的com1,com2線....印表機線有什麼不同??
> RS232,RS422都是平行埠的電路線氣規格,而com1,com2則是序列埠,
> 平行埠的傳輸速度比序列埠快,一般的印表機線為RS-232(25針)的線
> > 2.crossover過的線和一般的線有什麼不同呢??
> > 它是怎麼做的??
> crossover線可以做為資料傳輸,它與一般的線差別在於接腳有跳線過
> > 3.null modem是什麼??
> null modem一定是crossover的線,用於兩台PC的連接
> > 目前就這些了......thank you very much!!
> 希望其他的大大能夠指教!
小天使家族來接力了
以下有一些RS232和RS422的比較和介紹
http://csim.com.tw/tech_sup/13/rs232_422.htm

RS232簡介
http://www.scu.edu.tw:8000/~distedu/cha ... ion4-1.htm

RS232和RS422的腳位 甚至教你RS232和RS422之間的轉換
http://bbs.nsysu.edu.tw/txtVersion/trea ... 166.A.html

從上一個網頁中可以看到rs232的接腳位置
其中有一個是送出資料腳 一個是接收資料腳
如果使用null modem方式做兩台機器的連接
就必須將接腳的線做crossover跳線過
以DB9的RS232線為例 一般正常的接腳是這樣的:
Pin # Signal Name Signal Description
1 DCD (RLSD) Data Carrier Detect
2 RxD Receive Data
3 TxD Transmit Data
4 DTR Data Terminal Ready
5 SG Signal Ground
6 DSR Data Set Ready
7 RTS Request To Send
8 CTS Clear To Send
9 RI Ring Indicator
其中第二個是接收腳第三個是傳送腳
如果將同一條線的另一端接腳改為
Pin # Signal Name Signal Description
1 DCD (RLSD) Data Carrier Detect
2 TxD Transmit Data
3 RxD Receive Data
4 DTR Data Terminal Ready
5 SG Signal Ground
6 DSR Data Set Ready
7 RTS Request To Send
8 CTS Clear To Send
9 RI Ring Indicator
這樣就是做到CROSSOVER了
如果要玩WIN98的直接電纜線連線時
我們都會去電腦店買一條LL3的線接在兩台電腦的Parallel Port
而那一條LL3的線就是CROSSOVER的線了

再一個例子
我們平常都是用RJ45的線來接網路對不對
如果要單純在家裡連接兩台電腦也要去買一台HUB
HUB貴死了 窮學生買不起怎麼辦
如果會自己DIY RJ45的線的話
也可以把RJ45的線做跳線就可以直接連接兩台電腦了
接法如下
1.TX+ -> 3.RX+
2.TX- -> 6.RX-
3.RX+ -> 1.TX+
6.RX- -> 2.TX-
其他不要變

以下是NULL MODEM介紹
http://www.fido.net.tw/nti/internet/WAN ... LLMDM.html


RS310 RS113 RS115 就沒找到了
真糟糕
老師啊 DC課本上也沒有說
這三個就交給你啦
呵呵

下面有幾個網頁很值得去看一看
這學期要上DC的學弟妹更是要看

東吳的遠距教學網頁 關於網路的 很值得一看
http://www.scu.edu.tw:8000/~distedu/

私人網站 介紹很多網路知識 一定要看
http://www.fido.net.tw/nti/internet/index.html
上一個網頁的主網頁 還有其他可看的東西
http://www.fido.net.tw/nti/
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作者: XO (老生) 看板: CyberClass
標題: Re: 線.......
時間: Wed Sep 15 19:10:56 1999

※ 引述《light (小虎)》之銘言:
> 很抱歉......不是有意要問出這麼低能的問題......
> 不過不問我實在是受不了.....

問呀!

> 1.什麼是rs232,rs422,rs310,ll3,ll5??
> 它們跟平常看到的com1,com2線....印表機線有什麼不同??

COM1, COM2 係串列通信埠(Serial Communication Port),就像電源插座全世界
有一些制式的標準,以利不同電器製造商所生產的電器電源線接頭都有統一介面與
插座銜接。同樣的 RS232 是 EIA(Electronic Industry Association)所制訂通
訊介面標準用來銜接電腦端末設備(DTE - Data Terminal Equipment)與 通訊器
材(DCE - Data Communication Equipment or Data Circuit Equipment)之間的
一個標準介面。RS232C 是這個標準的第三個版本,目前在 15米長的 RS232C 接頭
串列纜線,他的速度有 20 kbps 的極限。同屬 EIA 的一個串列介面標準是 RS449
主要在提升串列傳輸的速度與接線長度,通常可達 mbps 以上,其下由於電子介面
的不同而有兩個標準:一為 RS422A 採 Balanced transmission, 另一則為採行非
平衡式傳輸的 RS423A。 至於 RS310 我就「莫宰羊」啦!說說哪裡看來的!

ll3 與 ll5 分別是指 LapLink version 3 與 5 通訊軟體, 透過他可將經由「串
列纜線」或是「並列纜線」連接在一起的兩台電腦,彼此互相傳輸檔案或抓取另一
台電腦上的資源。通常買 LL3 或 LL5 會附上一條俗稱 LL 纜線,他是改造過的「
並列傳輸」纜線,兩頭可分別接在 PC 的 Printer Port LPT1, LPT2,... 「並列」
傳輸較「串列」為快,這就好比八線道高速公路八部車子並排行進,相對於只有一
線道的產業道路,車子只能一部挨著一部「串列」行進當然是快多啦!

> 2.crossover過的線和一般的線有什麼不同呢??
> 它是怎麼做的??

串列纜線本來一頭接 Com port 另一頭接數據機(接頭一端公的一端母的),透過
電話線將數據機接往電話網路,收送兩端的 PC 都得各接一部數據機,但是如果就
近想將兩部緊鄰 PC 連接在一起,雖然可以將兩台數據機背靠背接在一起,但是也
可以更省錢地「改良」一下「串列纜線」,改良首將兩端接頭全改為可接COM port
的接頭,直接接在兩台 PC 之間(省掉一對 Modem),另外還得把一頭的「傳送線
路」端子交叉(Crossovered) 跳接到另一頭的「接收線路」端子,反之亦然。這
就是所謂「跳接纜線」 (Crossovered cable)。

> 3.null modem是什麼??

null 是法文吧!意思是說「空空如也!」「沒有」。 前述跳接過的纜線由於跳接
後 Modem不再需要,也就是 Modem「沒有」了!,因此有人就把 Crossovered纜線
稱之為 Null Modem。

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作者: XO (老生) 看板: CyberClass
標題: Re: 線.......
時間: Wed Sep 15 19:17:47 1999

※ 引述《Angel (小天使創刊號)》之銘言:
> ※ 引述《light (小虎)》之銘言:
> > 很抱歉......不是有意要問出這麼低能的問題......
> > 不過不問我實在是受不了.....
> > 1.什麼是rs232,rs422,rs310,ll3,ll5??
> > 它們跟平常看到的com1,com2線....印表機線有什麼不同??
> RS232,RS422都是平行埠的電路線氣規格,而com1,com2則是序列埠,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
應該是「串列」且一個 RSxxx Interface 的定義包含:

1. Mechanical Specification
2. Electrical Specification (電氣規格)
3. Functional Specification
4. Protocol

> 平行埠的傳輸速度比序列埠快,一般的印表機線為RS-232(25針)的線
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
是 25 針接頭,但是是 Centronic 介面

> > 2.crossover過的線和一般的線有什麼不同呢??
> > 它是怎麼做的??
> crossover線可以做為資料傳輸,它與一般的線差別在於接腳有跳線過

> > 3.null modem是什麼??
> null modem一定是crossover的線,用於兩台PC的連接

--
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「I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but
I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!」
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作者: XO (老生) 看板: CyberClass
標題: Re: 線.......
時間: Wed Sep 15 19:25:31 1999

※ 引述《bankang (小天使之超級船長)》之銘言:

唉!您早一點兒貼上來嘛!那我就不用「打字」打到鬍子都打結了ㄇㄟ!
結果還是您的有看頭!真個是「青出於藍而勝於藍」! Good for you!
為師的以有您這樣的高徒為榮! :-) :-) :-) ^o^

常來嘉惠學弟妹呦!

> 嗯
> RS310 RS113 RS115 就沒找到了

RS310我也孤陋寡聞嘍! 至於後那兩項我猜應該是指: LL3, LL5
不是在講 113, 115 吧!

> 真糟糕
> 老師啊 DC課本上也沒有說
> 這三個就交給你啦
> 呵呵
> 下面有幾個網頁很值得去看一看
> 這學期要上DC的學弟妹更是要看
> 東吳的遠距教學網頁 關於網路的 很值得一看
> http://www.scu.edu.tw:8000/~distedu/
> 私人網站 介紹很多網路知識 一定要看
> http://www.fido.net.tw/nti/internet/index.html
> 上一個網頁的主網頁 還有其他可看的東西
> http://www.fido.net.tw/nti/

--
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I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!」
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作者: bankang (小天使之超級船長) 看板: CyberClass
標題: Re: 線.......
時間: Thu Sep 16 01:39:24 1999

※ 引述《XO (老生)》之銘言:
> RS310我也孤陋寡聞嘍! 至於後那兩項我猜應該是指: LL3, LL5
> 不是在講 113, 115 吧!
哎呀 見笑了
把英文字母L看成數字的1
糟糕 有點丟臉說
唉以後也請大家行行好 L不要用小寫
不然一直會看錯說

好吧
補上一篇LL3的介紹
有腳位圖還有LAPLINK 3使用說明
雖然很長 但是蠻值得一看的
http://bbs.nsysu.edu.tw/txtVersion/trea ... 899.A.html

RS310真的比較難找
國家圖書館的網站幫我找了好久
全部都是跟我回報零筆資料咧
OPENFIND找到一個卻又連不上去說
YAHOO倒是給了我一個網頁
http://www.inoac.co.jp/irc/english/mc/p ... rs310.html
原來是賣輪胎的
ㄜ 是不是你要的 好像不是說
不過YAHOO蠻夠義氣的 又給我一個網頁
http://www.comcat.com/~alnico5/rsg.html
原來是Roadster這一個廠牌的電吉他
它的RS-XXX系列電吉他 其中有一把是RS310不知道是不是你要的
YAHOO還有總共21個網頁跟RS310有關
不過看了看標題 都不太像是我們要的說

要不要請原來的苦主說一下那鍋RS310是在那看到的啊
如過是在機車行
那就應該是輪胎那一個了
^_^
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作者: light (小虎) 看板: CyberClass
標題: Re: 線.......
時間: Fri Sep 17 08:08:56 1999


啊......真是感謝大家啊!!
我想我應該是了解了.......
不過我再確認一下......

rs232指的是一個通訊介面標準,並不是指一個單一的實体,
任何符合此標準的實体都可稱為"rs232 xx"??

嗯......至於rs310我也是聽同學說的啦......
不知道是我記錯了還是他說錯了......:P

再次感謝大家哦.....^_^(真高興)
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